Mouse
Frequent Member
Simon, Lord of Reserved Swedes and Lesser Top Hats
Posts: 154
|
Post by Mouse on Jun 14, 2011 13:26:30 GMT
If the campaign runs I'm set to play Wyqåk already and I am excited to get some fanatical righteousness on as it will prove an interesting difference from Markus. However, Tom informed me that it might not be running next term, worst come to worse. I'll just wait and see. In any case you've got a few spare for Fimbulvinter should your merchant's trade prove more fatal than originally thought .
|
|
Mouse
Frequent Member
Simon, Lord of Reserved Swedes and Lesser Top Hats
Posts: 154
|
Post by Mouse on Jun 14, 2011 13:33:56 GMT
Oh. I haven't read up on it extensively (although I did some reading when making Tamas) so correct me if I'm wrong but don't you plan on playing a divine caster (Inquisitor). I thought the abjurant champion was specifically or arcane casters?
|
|
|
Post by Deth Monkee on Jun 14, 2011 15:19:29 GMT
Abjurant Champion was for a different idea. Was thinking of a Fighter4/Sorcerer2/Abjurant Champion.
|
|
Mouse
Frequent Member
Simon, Lord of Reserved Swedes and Lesser Top Hats
Posts: 154
|
Post by Mouse on Jun 14, 2011 15:43:13 GMT
Sounds like a good idea, but why not fighter5/sorc1/Abjurant champion for the exra feat?
|
|
|
Post by Deth Monkee on Jun 14, 2011 16:03:51 GMT
Fighters don't get a new feat at level 5, and I'd rather have more spells/spells known than gain +1 to attack and damage from Weapon Training.
|
|
Dudeicuf
Frequent Member
HE-BRO!
Posts: 185
|
Post by Dudeicuf on Jun 14, 2011 16:43:30 GMT
I'm going to play Marcius if it runs but I have a couple of back ups depending on how it goes.
|
|
Mouse
Frequent Member
Simon, Lord of Reserved Swedes and Lesser Top Hats
Posts: 154
|
Post by Mouse on Jun 14, 2011 17:08:54 GMT
I'm working on a back-up for your campaign however, Nathan. I'm pretty sure you won't allow it so I'm keeping it secret for my own amusement for now.
|
|
Dudeicuf
Frequent Member
HE-BRO!
Posts: 185
|
Post by Dudeicuf on Jun 14, 2011 17:30:20 GMT
You never know...
My main cause for concern with Marcius is the fact that he's undead and we will be setting out to kill undead and you, as you put it, will be full of 'fanatical righteousness' and so I have a feeling I may not survive too long...
|
|
Mouse
Frequent Member
Simon, Lord of Reserved Swedes and Lesser Top Hats
Posts: 154
|
Post by Mouse on Jun 14, 2011 20:21:55 GMT
Wyqåk wouldn't see that as a problem. He is lawful with a very pragmatic view on things. It's like an equation. If you have one undead party member you have +1 undead. On the other hand if he helped kill 100 undead that is -99 undead. Of course when the threat is averted he might want to slay you. If you haven't managed to return to elf-hood by then.
EDIT: Sent a template to you by e-mail. Hopefully it will give you a good laugh.
|
|
Dudeicuf
Frequent Member
HE-BRO!
Posts: 185
|
Post by Dudeicuf on Jun 14, 2011 20:52:21 GMT
I'm not sure its even possible but that won't stop him trying! And I assure you, he'll be very good at killing undead... Well, killing anything for that matter. I don't want to reveal too much but I'll say he has a base of cavalier...
|
|
Mouse
Frequent Member
Simon, Lord of Reserved Swedes and Lesser Top Hats
Posts: 154
|
Post by Mouse on Jun 14, 2011 20:59:36 GMT
Pfft. Talk to me when you can kill all undead in a cone of 30ft as a free action. Well, you may survive... if you make a DC 25 will save.
Additionally; I dn't know the basics of a Grave knight but a simple ressurection spell can actually return a Lich to his original state. But then again. A selfless action also returns a lich to life.
|
|
Dudeicuf
Frequent Member
HE-BRO!
Posts: 185
|
Post by Dudeicuf on Jun 14, 2011 21:42:51 GMT
Well on a charge with my lance, on my horse and with power attack, I do 8d8 + 45. If I crit, 12d6 + 75... I think thats pretty good...
Then I have my challenge and precise strike too...
So overall I imagine I can hold my own. In terms of resurrection, I don't think it'll work on a graveknight. The spell description of resurrection and true resurrection says:
So there is only a short period in which I can be resurrected as I rejuvenate just like a Lich although my equivalent of a phylactery. Selfless acts do nowt either. Tomorrow though a pathfinder book comes out with a load of history and stuff about all sorts of undead including Graveknights so I'm going to try and download it.
|
|
Mouse
Frequent Member
Simon, Lord of Reserved Swedes and Lesser Top Hats
Posts: 154
|
Post by Mouse on Jun 14, 2011 22:05:31 GMT
Yeah, I suppose there is a great difference after all. Liches have several books dedicated to them. Graveknights are not as known. One difference I seem to recognize is that a Lich can only become what he is through his own will, if he is fully aware of the effects it will have on him. If someone tries to make you a Lich against your own will, or trick you into becoming one you simply die. According to your background all Grave knights are created to be minions of someone greater. The choice to be able to back out was probably not necessary.
|
|
Dudeicuf
Frequent Member
HE-BRO!
Posts: 185
|
Post by Dudeicuf on Jun 14, 2011 22:13:32 GMT
Exactly, from the little there currently is on Graveknights, they are somewhat similar to Death Knights in power but they are created to be the Lieutenants of undead armies. And in Marcius' case, he was turned into one from the spells put on the the tome he read. They can also be the leaders of armies though and are often raised from fallen Warlords. As far as I can tell though, one can only be turned/ raised as a Graveknight, not go through a process to become one out of choice.
|
|
Mouse
Frequent Member
Simon, Lord of Reserved Swedes and Lesser Top Hats
Posts: 154
|
Post by Mouse on Jun 14, 2011 22:34:02 GMT
There is a bit of a hole in how undead armies are formed though. After all undead are created either by chance or by a necromancer of some sort raising them. Lieutenans or warlords of undead armies should therefore be mostly evil clerics. Graveknights or Death Knights should be very rare indeed. Even in their creation there has to be a very powerful magic user involved which means the leader of the army will always have to be a user of magic if he intends to use Death Knights for generals. Raising an entire army is too much work for one person. Unless he has Raise City or Raise Fleet in which case he could probably do it.
|
|